Comments on: Inverse ETFs vs. LEAPS puts http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/ Thoughts on the markets and the decline of the west Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:58:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: James Campbell http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/#comment-1890 James Campbell Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:07:28 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=202#comment-1890 When does the underlying index of the SKF get rebalanced? Does it rebalance in the premarket? When does the underlying index of the SKF get rebalanced? Does it rebalance in the premarket?

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By: D.K. http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/#comment-971 D.K. Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:56:25 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=202#comment-971 Good advice. I did not know about the LEAPS. I made quite a bit of money on proshares SDS. I was sweating bullets, not so much on the volatility but the fear of counterparty risk. Have you hear of the direxion 3x leverage. Crazy shit. Marc Faber recently pointed out the Nikkei is back to 1981 levels, the korean index is at 1988 levels. If the S&P goes back to 1990 levels, it would be at 300. There is more money to be made on shorting the indexes my friend. Question is how high will this bear market rally. Good advice. I did not know about the LEAPS. I made quite a bit of money on proshares SDS. I was sweating bullets, not so much on the volatility but the fear of counterparty risk. Have you hear of the direxion 3x leverage. Crazy shit. Marc Faber recently pointed out the Nikkei is back to 1981 levels, the korean index is at 1988 levels. If the S&P goes back to 1990 levels, it would be at 300. There is more money to be made on shorting the indexes my friend. Question is how high will this bear market rally.

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By: Bjorn http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/#comment-728 Bjorn Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:17:13 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=202#comment-728 Mike, Thanks for the info on LEAPS strike prices. Very helpful. If my stats are correct, the low in the DOW lately was about 8,175. It has risen about 14% to 9,325. It's reaching toward the 25-30% you mention, but it still has quite a ways to go this time around. Mike,

Thanks for the info on LEAPS strike prices. Very helpful.

If my stats are correct, the low in the DOW lately was about 8,175. It has risen about 14% to 9,325. It’s reaching toward the 25-30% you mention, but it still has quite a ways to go this time around.

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By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/#comment-720 Mike Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:53:14 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=202#comment-720 I own a whole range. It really depends on how far I think the underlying security will fall within the time frame and how high the option premium is. Before the crash, I would look at something like IYR and say to myself that it could go to 20 (from say 70) by Jan 2010. I'd look at the various strikes and see that if it did fall to 20 I'd get say 6x my money with 50-strike puts and maybe 15x with 30-strike puts. Of course, with the 30s, you have the risk that it only falls to 30 and your puts expire worthless. I was pretty certain that the 50s would be in the money by expiry, so there is a risk-reward balance here and your risk-preference will determine which you favor. I That's about it. Every security is unique. I have bought in the money puts and super deep out of the money ones. These days, with option premiums so high, I'm not buying much, since it is hard to see very many of these returning better than 2-3x the premium. A year ago, I was putting a lot of my money into puts, so I would typically not try for home runs, since I wanted to minimize the risk of losing a big chunk of my net worth. I used to look for 4-5x in just a 30% fall in the underlying. Those are now in the money, and I've sold a bunch of them and am letting the rest ride so that taxes are pushed into '09 or because I think they have a little juice left in them. I wouldn't be buying most of them today. I'd wait for a really big rally before buying again. I'd want the VIX under 40 and the Dow up 25-30% from its lows before shorting again. Then I'd go out as far as possible on expirations and look at deep out of the money puts. I own a whole range. It really depends on how far I think the underlying security will fall within the time frame and how high the option premium is.

Before the crash, I would look at something like IYR and say to myself that it could go to 20 (from say 70) by Jan 2010. I’d look at the various strikes and see that if it did fall to 20 I’d get say 6x my money with 50-strike puts and maybe 15x with 30-strike puts. Of course, with the 30s, you have the risk that it only falls to 30 and your puts expire worthless. I was pretty certain that the 50s would be in the money by expiry, so there is a risk-reward balance here and your risk-preference will determine which you favor. I

That’s about it. Every security is unique. I have bought in the money puts and super deep out of the money ones. These days, with option premiums so high, I’m not buying much, since it is hard to see very many of these returning better than 2-3x the premium.

A year ago, I was putting a lot of my money into puts, so I would typically not try for home runs, since I wanted to minimize the risk of losing a big chunk of my net worth. I used to look for 4-5x in just a 30% fall in the underlying. Those are now in the money, and I’ve sold a bunch of them and am letting the rest ride so that taxes are pushed into ‘09 or because I think they have a little juice left in them. I wouldn’t be buying most of them today.

I’d wait for a really big rally before buying again. I’d want the VIX under 40 and the Dow up 25-30% from its lows before shorting again. Then I’d go out as far as possible on expirations and look at deep out of the money puts.

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By: Bjorn http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/#comment-719 Bjorn Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:48:21 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=202#comment-719 Hi Mike, Can you say anything about how you determine which strike price to go for on the LEAPS puts? Hi Mike,

Can you say anything about how you determine which strike price to go for on the LEAPS puts?

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By: eh http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/#comment-487 eh Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:54:25 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=202#comment-487 Agree completely about trading the short and ultrashort ETFs. On stock boards you still see questions from knuckleheads who just don't get it. Agree completely about trading the short and ultrashort ETFs. On stock boards you still see questions from knuckleheads who just don’t get it.

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By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/#comment-170 Mike Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:13:58 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=202#comment-170 Well, if you are using a plain-vanilla US broker, it may be tough to buy them directly, but you could go through a mutual fund like MERKX. However, the dollar seems to have finally turned, and foreign bonds are tanking relative to US treasuries, with the exception of Yen-denominated bonds. But then, Yen bonds are extremely low yield, so you can just hold Yen cash. If you have a broker with broad international market access, buying foreign Treasuries should be no problem. Unfortunately, I can't recommend one for a US-based individual. Maybe Peter Schiff's Euro Pacific can do it. They specialize in foreign stocks. But US Treasuries are ideal right now. Don't be afraid of the dollar anymore. Well, if you are using a plain-vanilla US broker, it may be tough to buy them directly, but you could go through a mutual fund like MERKX. However, the dollar seems to have finally turned, and foreign bonds are tanking relative to US treasuries, with the exception of Yen-denominated bonds. But then, Yen bonds are extremely low yield, so you can just hold Yen cash.

If you have a broker with broad international market access, buying foreign Treasuries should be no problem. Unfortunately, I can’t recommend one for a US-based individual. Maybe Peter Schiff’s Euro Pacific can do it. They specialize in foreign stocks.

But US Treasuries are ideal right now. Don’t be afraid of the dollar anymore.

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By: Bjorn http://sovereignspeculator.com/2008/08/08/inverse-etfs-vs-leaps-puts/#comment-169 Bjorn Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:58:03 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=202#comment-169 Your excellent article mentioned the following: "The balance saved can be kept safe in treasury bills (of foreign governments if you like), and those could be a lifesaver if things get really hairy and the markets are compromised. " How do you invest in the treasuries of foreign governments? Thanks Your excellent article mentioned the following:

“The balance saved can be kept safe in treasury bills (of foreign governments if you like), and those could be a lifesaver if things get really hairy and the markets are compromised. ”

How do you invest in the treasuries of foreign governments?

Thanks

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