The reality of S&P 500 earnings

To say that stocks are anything other than dangerously overpriced with a P/E of over 130 and a yield of 2.5% on unsustainable dividends is either farcical or fraudulent.

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For such a simple little metric, the P/E ratio is subjected to all kinds of perversions to deflate it to levels that can be passed off as reflecting value. At the very least, most bubbleheads try to make it less scary than its current level of 133 for the S&P 500.

Do-it-yourself P/E and dividend analysis

It is very easy to find out what the real index PE is at any given time. Just google S&P 500 earnings, and right at the top you will see a link to an Excel file on S&P’s website. Download it and see the data for yourself. The file provides 20 years of history on operating earnings, “as reported” (net) earnings, and cash dividends for the benchmark big-cap index.  Here is a permalink to the latest Excel file.

When talking P/E ratios, look at “as reported earnings,” which are the real bottom line, or as close as today’s accounting methods get to it. “Operating earnings” are all the rage these days with the sell-side and CNBC crowd, since they of course are higher, as they don’t include pesky items like depreciation, taxes and interest. Even more ridiculous is the use of “forward operating earnings,” which are not an accounting entry at all, but just what Wall Street analysts are telling the public that companies might report in future quarters and fiscal years.

To get the real P/E, the one that has been used as a gauge of value for decades, take the sum of the last four quarters of “as reported earnings”. Through Q1 09, for which 99% of companies have now reported, the index has earned a 12-month total of $6.87 (with the index at 915, the P/E is 133).

An S&P analyst has noted in the file that if Q3 comes in as expected, trailing 12-month earnings will be negative for the first time in history (I bet CNBC will decide to ignore that little factoid, since it’ll be a hard one to spin). Earnings are down from an all-time 12-month peak of $84.95 as of Q2 2007. To be fair to the bulls, the current figures include a loss of $23 in Q4 2008, when financial companies took their write-downs, though surely more of the same are on the way, and not just for banks.

Today’s earnings vs. recent history

Q1 2009 earnings were about $7.53, and Q2 and Q3 are expected (analysts tend not to be that far off for quarters directly ahead) to be more or less the same, so we are on pace for about $30 in annualized earnings. A glace at the historical data shows that this is about the same level as in 2001-2003, after a peak of $48-54 for a few quarters in 1999 and 2000. You have to go back to 1994-1995 to again see the $30 level, with the $20 level about the norm from 1988-1993. Assuming that the $30 is sustained, you could say that the current P/E is 30. That’s not value in anyone’s book.

Dividends from la-la land

One particularly striking fact in this data is that 12-month dividends have hardly budged from record levels, coming in at $27.25 as of Q1 2009. Dividends had been growing fairly moderately and steadily from 1988 to 2005, increasing from the $9 to $20 level over 17 years. At the height of the credit binge, companies were flush with cash to give away and buy back stock at inflated prices, rather than pay down the debt they took on to generate those temporary earnings. That they are continuing to pay these high dividends says to me that managers are in total denial or are playing charades to maintain the illusion of health.

The index only yields about 2.5% on current dividends, but if dividends fall back to just 2004 levels, the yield would fall under 2% if the index still trades at 900. Keep in mind that secular bear markets bottom by enticing with high cash yields, as investors by then are too pessimistic to expect much in the way of capital gains. At the 1930s and 1970s bottoms, the market yielded over 10% and 7%, respectively. Just a 5% yield on 2005-level earnings ($20) would be the 400 level on the index. A 7% yield on 1998 yields would mean the index trades under 250.

Whether you are a deflationist or inflationist, you have to admit that a strong dose of either would not be kind to equity valuations. In the ’70s, people demanded high current yields because future yields were so heavily discounted by inflation, and in the ’30s, stock valuations became extremely depressed as earnings tanked and investors panicked.

A crude indication of solid stock values is when the S&P 500 yields over 5% and the P/E is under 10. Stocks can get cheaper than that, but at those levels you really can buy for the long run. To say that stocks are anything other than dangerously overpriced with a P/E of over 130 and a yield of 2.5% on unsustainable dividends is either farcical or fraudulent.

Addendum:

For reference, here is a link to S&P500 earnings and dividend data going back to 1960.

Glancing at the typical ratio of earnings to dividends, if the index is earning $30, one should expect dividends to be about $10-20. There is no record here of another time when dividends were higher than earnings, as they are at present. This says to me that the sustainable yield today is not even 2.5%, but more like 1% to 1.5%, comparable to the peak of the peak dot-com bubble.

From this level of overvaluation in the face of declining fundamentals, stocks could fall hard for another 18 months to restore value fast (1929-1932 model), in which case the 200 level is likely by 2011.  Another outcome is to trade in a range for a decade or more and wait and hope for a bout of moderate inflation to increase the nominal bottom line (1968-1982 model). A third possibility is the Japanese model, where the S&P would get to 200, but over 20+ years. Long-time readers know that as a deflationist and Elliott waver I expect the first outcome, with the most stunning phase of the bear market soon to come.

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8 thoughts on “The reality of S&P 500 earnings

  1. Even now, the large investment shops still parlay the “low P/E” script based on op earnings. Perhaps they reason the crash has normalised the years of op earnings premium over reported earnings and wiped the slate clean. In reality, whatever suits their pockets they’ll sing it. As the saying goes, sing the song often enough and you begin to believe your own bS.

  2. Based on my timing system, the markets are where they were in Q1 2002 before the markets took a dive for the next 6 months .. I remember those days, I was laid off right after 9/11 and could not get a job … every headhunter I talked to said THEY were looking for a job for themselves!! It took me one year to get a job and I was living off of credit cards …. the sentiment was so horrible … the best buying opportunity passed in Sept/Oct of 2002 … So today the ratio of the Growth Rate to P/E is at the same level as it was in Q1 2002 … in fact the gap is much higher .. wish I could send you a chart to back up … but we are on the cusp of a massive downturn but I am not sure if it is going to happen now or in a month or so … We’ll see ….

  3. S&P 500 earnings in 2002 were $46, only 19% lower than the peak, and that was barely a recession. Even so, stocks were so overvalued that a nasty bear ensued. Stocks were nearly as overvalued in 2007, and are even more overvalued today, so this bear has a lot further to go.

    I also see a parallel with the post-911 bounce. That one lasted 6 months, but covered most of its ground in the first several weeks. Both rallies started 18 months post-peak.

  4. The author sounds quite persimistic about the current market rally. I think even in 2009-2010 S&P 500 earning is fall to 2001-2003 level or slighly lower than that period, the market won’t fall fall below 600, needless to say, reach 200. I am wondering why the author doesn’t short the market if he is so sure it could fall below 500. Well, maybe he already did short the market when it was at 700 level and now become anxious to cover it back. Guys even the earning gets to 1995 level, the market will NOT fall below 400. So cheer up, the downturn is closing to its end. Fed is printing the money like crazy and those blue bucks have to get into the “economy”. You will be amazed how high the market will “bounce” back. This is not based on the economy hearlth but based on the theory that today’s dollar is weath much less than 7 years ago.

  5. Thanks, Trader. I always liked those dot charts that Prechter puts together. I think after this bounce and deterioration in earnings we’re now back in the realm of Pluto.

    Also, think about how inflated book value is right now: it is supposed to be what you can actually get in liquidation, but I think accountants are still marking to 2007, which is called “marking to model”.

  6. Stock Trader…

    to be nit-picky, what does “November 2008″ mean? Was this taken during the peak which the S&P 500 peaked when Obama was elected or during the panic low of November?

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