Comments on: Interesting juncture in sentiment http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/ Thoughts on the markets and the decline of the west Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:23:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4890 Mike Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:09:15 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4890 Hi Bjorn, I replied to this on a later thread. Don't know if you saw it: "I will just play it by ear. If all goes according to plan, I’ll sell into major declines a bit at a time, and not try to hang onto everything until the end. Also, as things get rough, I may phase out of options and use futures more. I do derive some measure of comfort from the circuit breakers at the exchanges and the OCC itself. Also, if we have the kind of grinding decline that we had after April 1930, there won’t be waterfall conditions again, though of course that is what wave 3 of 3 is supposed to be. EWI is calling for a new high in the VIX, after all. Hi Bjorn, I replied to this on a later thread. Don’t know if you saw it:

“I will just play it by ear. If all goes according to plan, I’ll sell into major declines a bit at a time, and not try to hang onto everything until the end. Also, as things get rough, I may phase out of options and use futures more.

I do derive some measure of comfort from the circuit breakers at the exchanges and the OCC itself. Also, if we have the kind of grinding decline that we had after April 1930, there won’t be waterfall conditions again, though of course that is what wave 3 of 3 is supposed to be. EWI is calling for a new high in the VIX, after all.

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By: Bjorn http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4856 Bjorn Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:41:09 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4856 Hi Mike, Are you approaching this upcoming wave down similarly to the first, or are you treating it differently or acting with more caution? As you look at long-term puts in the Financials, Nasdaq, S&P 500, etc. do you think counter-party risk one or two years out from now will be significantly greater than it was during the first wave down? If so, are you factoring that into your current plans, perhaps regarding how long you will be willing to hang onto your long-term puts or how much you are investing in them this time around? Thanks Hi Mike,

Are you approaching this upcoming wave down similarly to the first, or are you treating it differently or acting with more caution?

As you look at long-term puts in the Financials, Nasdaq, S&P 500, etc. do you think counter-party risk one or two years out from now will be significantly greater than it was during the first wave down? If so, are you factoring that into your current plans, perhaps regarding how long you will be willing to hang onto your long-term puts or how much you are investing in them this time around?

Thanks

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By: Axclr8 http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4844 Axclr8 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:20:07 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4844 We are shifting from deflation to an inflationary environment but may take some time ... another 9 months or so from today .... I would not bet against the views of the following two people: 1. Mark Faber (yes, I know he is biased towards to inflation but you need to see this video): http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streettalk/federal_reserve/2009/07/15/235992.html 2. Kenneth Volpert: Portfolio Manager of a $22 Billion TIPS Fund for the Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Fund: http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/video/10532995/beat-inflation-with-corporate-bonds.html?cm_ven=YAHOOV&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA&s=1#28301734001 America's Financial System is a Ponzi scheme and I am in awe over the fact that people do not get it ... there is a limit to how long people will tolerate this .. no jobs, Gas at $5, Milk at $5 ... it's going to happen ... you can just be blindingly positive (as the majority of politicaly correct psyche dictates) and expect things to be OK but you will have to face the facts at some point ... There is simply no way this is a sustainable environment .... We are shifting from deflation to an inflationary environment but may take some time … another 9 months or so from today …. I would not bet against the views of the following two people:

1. Mark Faber (yes, I know he is biased towards to inflation but you need to see this video):
http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streettalk/federal_reserve/2009/07/15/235992.html

2. Kenneth Volpert: Portfolio Manager of a $22 Billion TIPS Fund for the Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Fund:
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/video/10532995/beat-inflation-with-corporate-bonds.html?cm_ven=YAHOOV&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA&s=1#28301734001

America’s Financial System is a Ponzi scheme and I am in awe over the fact that people do not get it … there is a limit to how long people will tolerate this .. no jobs, Gas at $5, Milk at $5 … it’s going to happen … you can just be blindingly positive (as the majority of politicaly correct psyche dictates) and expect things to be OK but you will have to face the facts at some point … There is simply no way this is a sustainable environment ….

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By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4843 Mike Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:59:04 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4843 Well, so long as credit continues to contract, and wages, employment and real estate continue to fall, I see no reason to alter my stance that we are in deflation. After this global stock and commodity bounce collapses, people will have a much better understanding of the deflationary forces at work. But after some years of this, when almost everyone has accepted deflation as reality and expects more of the same, it will end. At the moment, very few still understand that deflation is more than a fleeting state due to the onset of the crash. Well, so long as credit continues to contract, and wages, employment and real estate continue to fall, I see no reason to alter my stance that we are in deflation.

After this global stock and commodity bounce collapses, people will have a much better understanding of the deflationary forces at work. But after some years of this, when almost everyone has accepted deflation as reality and expects more of the same, it will end. At the moment, very few still understand that deflation is more than a fleeting state due to the onset of the crash.

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By: alex http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4833 alex Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:30:22 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4833 there are some interesting counter-arguments in the newsletter below to many of the key deflation talking points - perhaps could open the door for some interesting discussion. http://www.amanita.at/docs/open/newsletter-e.pdf there are some interesting counter-arguments in the newsletter below to many of the key deflation talking points - perhaps could open the door for some interesting discussion.

http://www.amanita.at/docs/open/newsletter-e.pdf

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By: Axclr8 http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4828 Axclr8 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:39:39 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4828 Last point this AM ... the American Financial System is a PONZI scheme .... I am sick of it ... I exited my 401K stocks and moved to Cash more than two years ago against eerhyone's advice (ha! they lost 50% inclusing the company match!!) ... when my 401K advisor used to talk to the entire local office he would advise that this is a LONG TERM BUY and HOLD .... now he does not come to the office ... it's a vicious cycle ... they trap you by giving you money in earnings, you leverage this cash to take out loans and then you are a slave to these loans until you pay them off but that never happens and you are then a SLAVE to a job for the rest of your life .... in the meantime you are consuming the very same goods and services that are produced by the minions like you somewhere else ... then they take your money in your 401K for further leverage, M&A, manipulation and get their EPS to go up while increasing Margins and what do you get? Most companies are not giving out stock options ... raises this year are frozen ... Arrghh! So, even the the 401K is nothing but a vehicle designed to pull you in with NO guarantee of a return unless you deposit into a Treasury baked Money Market account with 2 or 3% ROI!! Does anyone out there get it? ... That's my rant for the day ... Last point this AM … the American Financial System is a PONZI scheme …. I am sick of it … I exited my 401K stocks and moved to Cash more than two years ago against eerhyone’s advice (ha! they lost 50% inclusing the company match!!) … when my 401K advisor used to talk to the entire local office he would advise that this is a LONG TERM BUY and HOLD …. now he does not come to the office … it’s a vicious cycle … they trap you by giving you money in earnings, you leverage this cash to take out loans and then you are a slave to these loans until you pay them off but that never happens and you are then a SLAVE to a job for the rest of your life …. in the meantime you are consuming the very same goods and services that are produced by the minions like you somewhere else … then they take your money in your 401K for further leverage, M&A, manipulation and get their EPS to go up while increasing Margins and what do you get? Most companies are not giving out stock options … raises this year are frozen … Arrghh! So, even the the 401K is nothing but a vehicle designed to pull you in with NO guarantee of a return unless you deposit into a Treasury baked Money Market account with 2 or 3% ROI!! Does anyone out there get it? … That’s my rant for the day …

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By: Axclr8 http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4826 Axclr8 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:26:33 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4826 Sentiment drives Markets 80% of the time ... the rest is a combination of earnings (beat the numbers), econimic signals (GDP, Employment etc.) and Fundamentals ... Sentiment is driven from these ... right now, everything is being "cooked" to make things look better ... There is no way we can spend our way out of this recession. We are creating Money out of thin air (the Feb buys treasuries from their accounts in which they just typed in a Trillion dollars worth of digits using key strokes) and the taxpayers get the bill for this Money that have been monitzed. This quantative easing will lead to massive inflationary pressures driving up the price of goods, services and commodities. So, we will be getting hit with an increased cost of living of 15% and 10% more taxes at the minimum. Are we all going to get a 25% raise? No, ofcourse not. This extra 25% in the cost of living will ahve to be balanced by less spending and as a result, the economy will slow down even more. The Govt. and so callled Financial pundits have just doomed us into a Financial Black Hole. Thus, we have made the problem worse, and delayed an eventual financial collapse. Sorry but not matter what, this is inevitable. I have no faith left in this system run buy a bunch of egomaniacs and cheats ... The American public has nothing but themsleves to be blamed ... so, the hype is going to continue for sure for some more time ... but we are fast appraoching the 6 month mark of this rally ... not sure if parallels to the first beark market rally in the crash of 1929 will work or not but there is a possibility ... imo, when there is no more SHORT Interest left out there (or very little) ... the markets can tank .. and guess what ... then people will start shorting in earnest because that is how it works in the opposite direction .. the same way people piled on hte LONG side in March ... the same way there will be a massive buying of puts and shorting stocks ... BUT WE HAVE NOT REACHED THERE YET .... Sentiment has to be absoultely POSITIVE ... Sentiment drives Markets 80% of the time … the rest is a combination of earnings (beat the numbers), econimic signals (GDP, Employment etc.) and Fundamentals … Sentiment is driven from these … right now, everything is being “cooked” to make things look better … There is no way we can spend our way out of this recession. We are creating Money out of thin air (the Feb buys treasuries from their accounts in which they just typed in a Trillion dollars worth of digits using key strokes) and the taxpayers get the bill for this Money that have been monitzed. This quantative easing will lead to massive inflationary pressures driving up the price of goods, services and commodities. So, we will be getting hit with an increased cost of living of 15% and 10% more taxes at the minimum. Are we all going to get a 25% raise? No, ofcourse not. This extra 25% in the cost of living will ahve to be balanced by less spending and as a result, the economy will slow down even more. The Govt. and so callled Financial pundits have just doomed us into a Financial Black Hole. Thus, we have made the problem worse, and delayed an eventual financial collapse. Sorry but not matter what, this is inevitable.

I have no faith left in this system run buy a bunch of egomaniacs and cheats … The American public has nothing but themsleves to be blamed … so, the hype is going to continue for sure for some more time … but we are fast appraoching the 6 month mark of this rally … not sure if parallels to the first beark market rally in the crash of 1929 will work or not but there is a possibility … imo, when there is no more SHORT Interest left out there (or very little) … the markets can tank .. and guess what … then people will start shorting in earnest because that is how it works in the opposite direction .. the same way people piled on hte LONG side in March … the same way there will be a massive buying of puts and shorting stocks … BUT WE HAVE NOT REACHED THERE YET …. Sentiment has to be absoultely POSITIVE …

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By: Axclr8 http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4825 Axclr8 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:10:48 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4825 From Casy Research: FASB may reverse it's rulinf on Mark to Market ... guess what is going to do to the credit markets: "There is a battle being fought behind the scenes, a fight that could set the stage for a very, very big correction in stocks of banks and other financial services companies. During the first phase of economic crisis, the government leaned on the Financial Accounting Standards Board, or FASB as it is usually referred to, to suspend its mark-to-market valuation standards. Instead of having to value the assets on their books based on something at least modestly resembling reality – reality being defined as what people might actually be willing to pay you for it – once mark-to-market was done away with, financial institutions were able to assign values to assets by the time-honored technique of licking a finger and poking it into the wind. If the wind, blowing from the mouths of management, determined that a certain value should be assessed, assessed it was. The consequence of this change was that, presto, much of the capital challenges the financial institutions were struggling with just disappeared, and banks could trot out their freshly smudged balance sheets with a satisfied smirk. That smirk could soon be slapped away if new proposals by the FASB to return to mark-to-market, and even extend it, are again accepted as required practice. If this were to occur, all the unloved and unwanted toxic garbage now masquerading as good capital would overnight go “poof,” leaving ashes in its place. Quoting our own Olivier Garret, “If this happens, all of a sudden all the financial stocks that did so well in Q1 and Q2 will collapse again, and this time I do not think the Fed will be able to prevent it.” Why would the FASB reverse itself on this issue? Simply, if accountants are to have any credibility at all – or serve any real purpose – they need to be true to their profession. Otherwise, why would anyone believe in the work they do? Continuing to look the other way while corporations cook the books would be akin to a society of professional home builders adopting a policy to leave out certain crucial support beams. After awhile, the ensuing carnage would discredit the profession entirely. The FASB has a very powerful incentive to do an about-face on the mark-to-market rule change – a change that was entirely due to heavy political pressure at the time. And that incentive is the survival of their profession. While this battle over accounting standards has been hugely underreported, Bloomberg did a good piece on it recently, which you can read by clicking here. Progress on the return of mark-to-market is something we’ll be keeping a close eye on, and suggest you do too. "" From Casy Research: FASB may reverse it’s rulinf on Mark to Market … guess what is going to do to the credit markets:

“There is a battle being fought behind the scenes, a fight that could set the stage for a very, very big correction in stocks of banks and other financial services companies. During the first phase of economic crisis, the government leaned on the Financial Accounting Standards Board, or FASB as it is usually referred to, to suspend its mark-to-market valuation standards.

Instead of having to value the assets on their books based on something at least modestly resembling reality – reality being defined as what people might actually be willing to pay you for it – once mark-to-market was done away with, financial institutions were able to assign values to assets by the time-honored technique of licking a finger and poking it into the wind. If the wind, blowing from the mouths of management, determined that a certain value should be assessed, assessed it was.

The consequence of this change was that, presto, much of the capital challenges the financial institutions were struggling with just disappeared, and banks could trot out their freshly smudged balance sheets with a satisfied smirk.

That smirk could soon be slapped away if new proposals by the FASB to return to mark-to-market, and even extend it, are again accepted as required practice. If this were to occur, all the unloved and unwanted toxic garbage now masquerading as good capital would overnight go “poof,” leaving ashes in its place.

Quoting our own Olivier Garret, “If this happens, all of a sudden all the financial stocks that did so well in Q1 and Q2 will collapse again, and this time I do not think the Fed will be able to prevent it.”

Why would the FASB reverse itself on this issue? Simply, if accountants are to have any credibility at all – or serve any real purpose – they need to be true to their profession. Otherwise, why would anyone believe in the work they do? Continuing to look the other way while corporations cook the books would be akin to a society of professional home builders adopting a policy to leave out certain crucial support beams. After awhile, the ensuing carnage would discredit the profession entirely.

The FASB has a very powerful incentive to do an about-face on the mark-to-market rule change – a change that was entirely due to heavy political pressure at the time. And that incentive is the survival of their profession.

While this battle over accounting standards has been hugely underreported, Bloomberg did a good piece on it recently, which you can read by clicking here. Progress on the return of mark-to-market is something we’ll be keeping a close eye on, and suggest you do too. “”

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By: Paul http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4814 Paul Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:13:25 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4814 I'm biased against guys with tongue rings--and I'm not the uber-bear you are... I do believe that the dollar is leading the show right now, and everything else is reacting... I’m biased against guys with tongue rings–and I’m not the uber-bear you are…

I do believe that the dollar is leading the show right now, and everything else is reacting…

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By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/07/31/interesting-juncture-in-sentiment/#comment-4811 Mike Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:22:46 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2557#comment-4811 Ha! I just heard Bloomberg's Matt Miller say he was talking to Karl D, and he referenced Market-ticker.denninger.net, "which is pretty cool." Here's to Miller: He and his counterpart Bernie (Wong?) in Hong Kong are the best financial journalists on TV, hands down. And to think I had him pegged him as a cheerleader before the crash because he didn't understand just how bad things were, and well, because I was biased against guys with tongue rings. Ha! I just heard Bloomberg’s Matt Miller say he was talking to Karl D, and he referenced Market-ticker.denninger.net, “which is pretty cool.”

Here’s to Miller: He and his counterpart Bernie (Wong?) in Hong Kong are the best financial journalists on TV, hands down. And to think I had him pegged him as a cheerleader before the crash because he didn’t understand just how bad things were, and well, because I was biased against guys with tongue rings.

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