Comments on: A little morning TA

By: Axclr8

Axclr8 — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:24:17 +0000

Inverse ETF’s SUCK!

By: Aki_Izayoi

Aki_Izayoi — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:19:48 +0000

“But if you continue to trade inverse ETFs, you MUST use a stop. They are so dangerous b/c they appeal to less experienced traders but they are among the most hazardous instruments in finance.”

It is like the lottery… it is a largely a tax on those who cannot do math.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:59:18 +0000

Hi Bjorn — totally depends on your risk aversion. For long dated puts, I usually start adding early with the expectation that my first purchases will go underwater. I save the majority of my capital for when the trade becomes more compelling. It may or may not be the best strategy for you or me — I usually could stand to wait longer before entering, frankly. For what it’s worth, I’ve not been doing a lot of waiting this week.

In general, I just use stops on futures, stocks, etfs and short-dated options. With long-dated options, if conditions change and my thesis is invalidated for whatever reason, I’ll just sell the old fashioned way. This makes for a very volatile portfolio.

UDtrend, if you have to ask about how to get options in this forum, please do yourself a favor and spend a lot of time reading up to familiarize yourself with them. Best to avoid them until you have watched the options market for a while, and then just wade in very slowly.

But if you continue to trade inverse ETFs, you MUST use a stop. They are so dangerous b/c they appeal to less experienced traders but they are among the most hazardous instruments in finance.

By: UDtrend

UDtrend — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:57:13 +0000

Today, silver is doing a bit of rally again, anyone getting ZSL inverse etf to short silver? jason are u gonna do that as well?

By: jason bourne

jason bourne — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:44:17 +0000

Mike,

My problems w/ options is mostly its liquidity and how much volatility can affect its prices. With options, the bid-offer gap is kind of big sometimes. I tried before the options way of shorting things… but didn’t work well. I don’t recall exactly, but I think I was right yet I get very little of profits or even a slight loss (due to volatility valuations, I guess — I suck at determining options volatility valuations).

I guess that’s the negative side of options. If we don’t master it that well, our probabilities get hurt (although it can sometimes work in your favour, too). With leveraged/inverse ETFs, the obvious disadvantage is with the math (the kind where 1.1 x 0.9 = 0.99 1% volatility loss; 1.2 x 0.8 = 0.96 4% volatility loss).

By: Bjorn

Bjorn — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:14:18 +0000

Hi Mike,

Do you use stops even on puts dated out to Jan. or Dec. 2011?

While the rally shows signs of peaking, it could still work its way higher. Doesn’t that make it difficult to pick a stop on those far-dated puts? Since there’s lots of time, isn’t it better to trust the overall trend? Or, is that putting too much trust in a forecast?

Thanks

By: UDtrend

UDtrend — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:55:32 +0000

Hey, guys
i just joined the trip of yours to the south, but i just bought the SH inverse ETF (i know is best to get put rather than inverse etf blood suckers, thought is easier to handle somehow? i dont know), FAZ is quite awesome too, falling the cliff to 25 bucks apiece, maybe worth to stock some as well. gosh, mike, how can you get that long term put?

cheers

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:51:17 +0000

Ugh. Best to avoid the inverse ETFs. If you want to short the banks, short XLF or buy puts. ITM puts can work like inverse ETFs with less decay. My approach is to buy lots of time with far-dated ATM or OTM puts. Way better than the likes of FAZ, and it takes less cash for the same or better profits if you’re right. Always use stops to cover your butt unless you don’t care if you lose it all, with puts or the ETFs.

By: jason bourne

jason bourne — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:39:55 +0000

That Edwards & Magee quote is kind of relieving. I’m a little bit under water now on FAZ

May I add something to your points, Mike?
- VIX is forming HUGE falling wedge. If VIX is to explode upwards after completing the pattern, that means …

- Shanghai market has rolled over. In October 2007, its rolling over marked the all-time top of SPX & DJI. The top was made within the same week as the Shanghai market.

- Most likely related to the above point, China now has reduced the reckless lending significantly. Last month’s lending was only 1/4 of June’s amount. Where does the market go without artificial support? I suspect it’s related to how awful the Chinese debt auction has gone several weeks ago.

- Bearish divergences are abound almost everywhere. You name it: RSI, MACD, volume, intermarket (especially risk asset vs. safe asset correlations), etc.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:53:23 +0000

IMO, it’s as good a lock as you ever get that this market starts to roll over hard within a few weeks:

Sentiment surveys at extreme bullishness

Put/call ratio shows extreme complacency

Rydex fund flows and OTC stock volume shows small-time specs are back

Rally on declining volume that has all but dried up

Bumping up against 38% and 50% retracements (S&P and Nasdaq)

Major dollar bearishness = dollar rally ahead

And yes, the fundamentals say that this is one of the most overvalued markets in history.

It’s important to keep an eye on the big picture and not get fooled by short-term choppiness. Rallies like this don’t give up the ghost without a fight.