Comments on: Still rolling over? http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/08/20/still-rolling-over/ Thoughts on the markets and the decline of the west Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:09:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Josh http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/08/20/still-rolling-over/#comment-5340 Josh Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:05:59 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2682#comment-5340 More stats: <a href="http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/bronson/2009/0819.html" rel="nofollow">Corporate Insider Selling Is An Extremely Bearish 17 Times Normal</a> More stats:

Corporate Insider Selling Is An
Extremely Bearish 17 Times Normal

]]> By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/08/20/still-rolling-over/#comment-5337 Mike Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:00:55 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2682#comment-5337 Before anyone here posts about how inflation is inevitable and coming soon in a big way, please read this post by Mish. He, as I, must be getting awfully tired of explaining the same things over and over again, even as we have been proved right in spades over the last 2 years. http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/08/belief-in-wizards-runs-deep.html Before anyone here posts about how inflation is inevitable and coming soon in a big way, please read this post by Mish. He, as I, must be getting awfully tired of explaining the same things over and over again, even as we have been proved right in spades over the last 2 years.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/08/belief-in-wizards-runs-deep.html

]]> By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/08/20/still-rolling-over/#comment-5336 Mike Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:29:20 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2682#comment-5336 The way to avoid bear traps is to wait for the retracement (rally) after the decline and set a logical stop, like I said. And when you talk about 700 pts needed for a confirmation, that is silly -- TA allows you to judge the strength of much smaller moves, like the decline on Monday and Tues AM and the rise since. If you really want to trade seriously, you have to study TA. If you just follow the news and come up with ad hoc theories of price action that involve manipulation, you'll never get anywhere. What you need to get through your head is that the markets are much bigger than the machinations of all the big players put together. They are the record of humanity's emotions, and those have endogenous patterns. The way to avoid bear traps is to wait for the retracement (rally) after the decline and set a logical stop, like I said. And when you talk about 700 pts needed for a confirmation, that is silly — TA allows you to judge the strength of much smaller moves, like the decline on Monday and Tues AM and the rise since. If you really want to trade seriously, you have to study TA. If you just follow the news and come up with ad hoc theories of price action that involve manipulation, you’ll never get anywhere.

What you need to get through your head is that the markets are much bigger than the machinations of all the big players put together. They are the record of humanity’s emotions, and those have endogenous patterns.

]]> By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/08/20/still-rolling-over/#comment-5335 Mike Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:20:42 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2682#comment-5335 Pej, you don't understand TA if you think the markets can be manipulated this way or that by simply fudging numbers. Pej, you don’t understand TA if you think the markets can be manipulated this way or that by simply fudging numbers.

]]> By: Axclr8 http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/08/20/still-rolling-over/#comment-5331 Axclr8 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:11:37 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2682#comment-5331 MIke, The Govt. (oh shit, I mean the Banks) are only going to keep on publishing positive economics numbers until the markets reach extreme highs again ... in this kind of environment, how can technical analysis be a good guide? All the setups are nearly there but once we get into a slightly oversold postion, lo and behold some more magic numbers of the economy are published and the internals change again ... add the fact that companies are falsly producing beat the numbers and what do you get? A relentless uptrend ... I do agree that only go short once the downtrend is established ... but for that to happen we would have to srop 700 to 1000 points in the DOW etc ... arleady taking us into oversold territory ... setting us up for a Bull Trap ... this market is not going to go down until the next crisis and the Govt. (oh shit I meant the Banks) know what NOT to say and publish to avoid another downturn in the Market. Honestly, the more and more I think about it, this downturn was created by the Banks themsleves as big ploy to get assistance from the FED and Treasury ... they manipulated it all from the very beginning .... Thoughts? Thanks! MIke,

The Govt. (oh shit, I mean the Banks) are only going to keep on publishing positive economics numbers until the markets reach extreme highs again … in this kind of environment, how can technical analysis be a good guide? All the setups are nearly there but once we get into a slightly oversold postion, lo and behold some more magic numbers of the economy are published and the internals change again … add the fact that companies are falsly producing beat the numbers and what do you get? A relentless uptrend …

I do agree that only go short once the downtrend is established … but for that to happen we would have to srop 700 to 1000 points in the DOW etc … arleady taking us into oversold territory … setting us up for a Bull Trap … this market is not going to go down until the next crisis and the Govt. (oh shit I meant the Banks) know what NOT to say and publish to avoid another downturn in the Market. Honestly, the more and more I think about it, this downturn was created by the Banks themsleves as big ploy to get assistance from the FED and Treasury … they manipulated it all from the very beginning ….

Thoughts?

Thanks!

]]> By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/08/20/still-rolling-over/#comment-5319 Mike Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:48:20 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2682#comment-5319 In looking at recent action, I've come to think that perhaps a good strategy for shorting is as follows: 1. Wait for extremes of sentiment. DSI, II, Put/call, Rydex, etc. You need optimistic extremes to set you up for a good fall. 2. Watch for clues of trend exhaustion in technicals: MACD, RSI, Fib lines, etc. 3. Wait for topping action -- slower rate of ascent, lower lows and/or lower highs, diminished a/d on each rally, solid breadth on declines, and maybe some kind of sinusoidal distribution pattern. 4. Confirmation across asset classes, according to whatever correlations have been working lately. 5. Make your entry AFTER the first convincing decline that is confirmed by breadth and other asset classes. There is almost always a retracement, and that retracement provides you with two things: a) more information about the directional strength of the market (A/D, price move relative to TICK, etc). If the retracement is weak, it further confirms that the decline is a potential trend change. If strong, it was just a correction. b) It offers a nice spot to go short, because if the market is going to fall, that move is already partly underway so you won't have to wait long, and if it is going to rise, you likely have a nice stop price (pick your Fib level, channel line, other recent support, or just the recent high). In looking at recent action, I’ve come to think that perhaps a good strategy for shorting is as follows:

1. Wait for extremes of sentiment. DSI, II, Put/call, Rydex, etc. You need optimistic extremes to set you up for a good fall.

2. Watch for clues of trend exhaustion in technicals: MACD, RSI, Fib lines, etc.

3. Wait for topping action — slower rate of ascent, lower lows and/or lower highs, diminished a/d on each rally, solid breadth on declines, and maybe some kind of sinusoidal distribution pattern.

4. Confirmation across asset classes, according to whatever correlations have been working lately.

5. Make your entry AFTER the first convincing decline that is confirmed by breadth and other asset classes. There is almost always a retracement, and that retracement provides you with two things:

a) more information about the directional strength of the market (A/D, price move relative to TICK, etc). If the retracement is weak, it further confirms that the decline is a potential trend change. If strong, it was just a correction.

b) It offers a nice spot to go short, because if the market is going to fall, that move is already partly underway so you won’t have to wait long, and if it is going to rise, you likely have a nice stop price (pick your Fib level, channel line, other recent support, or just the recent high).

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