Comments on: Long live the dollar! http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/09/15/long-live-the-dollar/ Thoughts on the markets and the decline of the west Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:42:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: PEJ http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/09/15/long-live-the-dollar/#comment-6073 PEJ Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:26:45 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2808#comment-6073 Yes, I remember you mentioned that. Not sure what to think about it though. Yes, I remember you mentioned that. Not sure what to think about it though.

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By: Aki_Izayoi http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/09/15/long-live-the-dollar/#comment-6069 Aki_Izayoi Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:01:44 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2808#comment-6069 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/business/31markets.html?_r=1 I knew that article actually forecasted the bear market rally to continue. It was ranked as the 6th most popular article before, and it was a good proxy of the general bearish sentiment. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/business/31markets.html?_r=1

I knew that article actually forecasted the bear market rally to continue. It was ranked as the 6th most popular article before, and it was a good proxy of the general bearish sentiment.

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By: PEJ http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/09/15/long-live-the-dollar/#comment-6065 PEJ Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:38:12 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2808#comment-6065 Mike, did you ever buy those puts on Apple and Amazon? We're very close to historical highs on those stocks (and yes, I am a big fan of both companies, and have bought shares of Apple when they were trading at $13 and have never sold them. It still doesn't mean that I think the current valuations reasonable!). Mike,
did you ever buy those puts on Apple and Amazon? We’re very close to historical highs on those stocks
(and yes, I am a big fan of both companies, and have bought shares of Apple when they were trading at $13 and have never sold them. It still doesn’t mean that I think the current valuations reasonable!).

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By: Aki_Izayoi http://sovereignspeculator.com/2009/09/15/long-live-the-dollar/#comment-6055 Aki_Izayoi Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:55:28 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=2808#comment-6055 I am just floating why the S&P wouldn't go below 500 reasons out here and I wonder how Mike would respond to them. He doesn't have a particular obligation to reply, but I am just floating a tentative hypothesis: I. A recent Heritage Foundation report <a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm2613.cfm" rel="nofollow">"Retiring Baby Boomers Will Not Cause an Asset Bust"</a> states that since most of the assets are not in weak hands (a large portion of assets are concentrated in a few hands), and it will not likely cause a bust. However, there might be a secular shift towards fixed income and a decline in equities in portfolio construction. II. Although the labor market is absolutely horrible, corporations can use this to their advantage through lower input costs and increased productivity. (Volumes may decline though.) If unemployment and wages stays the same, the current equity prices can be justified. III. The argument that historical P/E's average at 15.5 does not apply now since lower interest rates can justify a (forward) P/E of 17.5 .) However, it seems likely that the liquidation sales of last year, and various stimulus programs simply pulled demand forward. Moreover, demographic trends suggest the population is getting older, and this would result in lower intertemporal discount rates (or even negative discount rates), so it would mean less present consumption. A decline in immigration and older people moving into retirement homes would depress the housing market for years. IV. Some Darwinian selection has already taken place. Some corporations learned how to deal with the aftermath of the tech bubble, and delevered after that. There is a high chance that deflation would lower the value of the equity of these corporations because of lower profit margins and volume, but they would not face existential risk, and high risk premiums would not be necessary. However, this is not a bullish argument. The risk/reward favors bearish sentiment now. However, the political risk is very high right now. Even if the economists are correct that we will have a jobless "recovery" (no one is denying the "jobless" part), a prolonged period of no net job creation will lead to a glum social mood. A jobless recovery at a 10% headline unemployment is much different than at 5%, and there will be an imperative for politicians to do "something." I am just floating why the S&P wouldn’t go below 500 reasons out here and I wonder how Mike would respond to them. He doesn’t have a particular obligation to reply, but I am just floating a tentative hypothesis:

I. A recent Heritage Foundation report “Retiring Baby Boomers Will Not Cause an Asset Bust” states that since most of the assets are not in weak hands (a large portion of assets are concentrated in a few hands), and it will not likely cause a bust. However, there might be a secular shift towards fixed income and a decline in equities in portfolio construction.

II. Although the labor market is absolutely horrible, corporations can use this to their advantage through lower input costs and increased productivity. (Volumes may decline though.) If unemployment and wages stays the same, the current equity prices can be justified.

III.
The argument that historical P/E’s average at 15.5 does not apply now since lower interest rates can justify a (forward) P/E of 17.5 .) However, it seems likely that the liquidation sales of last year, and various stimulus programs simply pulled demand forward. Moreover, demographic trends suggest the population is getting older, and this would result in lower intertemporal discount rates (or even negative discount rates), so it would mean less present consumption. A decline in immigration and older people moving into retirement homes would depress the housing market for years.

IV. Some Darwinian selection has already taken place. Some corporations learned how to deal with the aftermath of the tech bubble, and delevered after that. There is a high chance that deflation would lower the value of the equity of these corporations because of lower profit margins and volume, but they would not face existential risk, and high risk premiums would not be necessary.

However, this is not a bullish argument. The risk/reward favors bearish sentiment now. However, the political risk is very high right now. Even if the economists are correct that we will have a jobless “recovery” (no one is denying the “jobless” part), a prolonged period of no net job creation will lead to a glum social mood. A jobless recovery at a 10% headline unemployment is much different than at 5%, and there will be an imperative for politicians to do “something.”

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