Comments on: Kick Lincoln out of Washington’s holiday http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/02/14/kick-lincoln-out-of-washingtons-holiday/ Thoughts on the markets and the decline of the west Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:49:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/02/14/kick-lincoln-out-of-washingtons-holiday/#comment-8517 Mike Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:55:16 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=3717#comment-8517 I'm by no means well-versed in military history, but I'm not sure a guerilla resistance wouldn't have worked. Just look at how much trouble the French had in Algeria, and what Afghanistan and Vietnam have done. In the 1860s there were no bomber aircraft, either. During Sherman's march, most of Georgia's soldiers were away fighting in Tennessee, so the guerillas he encountered were way outnumbered. I don't see how an invasion of the north would have gone well. From a psy-ops point of view, it would have been a bad move, antagonizing the large portion of northerners who either supported the south or didn't care either way. The early tactics of the revolution worked fine, but Washington and some others had notions of being grand commanders in the old European style. I've read that they ended up alienating a lot of enthusiastic militiamen with their heavy-handedness. A guerilla war doesn't mean a disorganized war -- it can mean an organically organized one, a more efficient, capitalist approach than what Davis undertook with his conscription, trade regulations and paper money. I’m by no means well-versed in military history, but I’m not sure a guerilla resistance wouldn’t have worked. Just look at how much trouble the French had in Algeria, and what Afghanistan and Vietnam have done. In the 1860s there were no bomber aircraft, either.

During Sherman’s march, most of Georgia’s soldiers were away fighting in Tennessee, so the guerillas he encountered were way outnumbered.

I don’t see how an invasion of the north would have gone well. From a psy-ops point of view, it would have been a bad move, antagonizing the large portion of northerners who either supported the south or didn’t care either way.

The early tactics of the revolution worked fine, but Washington and some others had notions of being grand commanders in the old European style. I’ve read that they ended up alienating a lot of enthusiastic militiamen with their heavy-handedness. A guerilla war doesn’t mean a disorganized war — it can mean an organically organized one, a more efficient, capitalist approach than what Davis undertook with his conscription, trade regulations and paper money.

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By: seaterk http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/02/14/kick-lincoln-out-of-washingtons-holiday/#comment-8516 seaterk Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:22:18 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=3717#comment-8516 Mike, I'll just reference Sherman's march through the south as an answer to the suggestion that guerrilla warfare would have worked. You don't win wars with that tactic, not even the American Revolutionary war was won with that tactic but with large fielded armies and a lot of help from the French, otherwise we'd have been toast and still saying God save the queen. Personally, I think that the Souths mistake was not invading the North. You can't win on just defense and that's all the south really did for the whole war. If they had caused enough damage (read economic pain) to the elites behind the war they might have forced Lincoln to accept the break away of the south. Mike,

I’ll just reference Sherman’s march through the south as an answer to the suggestion that guerrilla warfare would have worked. You don’t win wars with that tactic, not even the American Revolutionary war was won with that tactic but with large fielded armies and a lot of help from the French, otherwise we’d have been toast and still saying God save the queen.

Personally, I think that the Souths mistake was not invading the North. You can’t win on just defense and that’s all the south really did for the whole war. If they had caused enough damage (read economic pain) to the elites behind the war they might have forced Lincoln to accept the break away of the south.

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By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/02/14/kick-lincoln-out-of-washingtons-holiday/#comment-8515 Mike Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:07:13 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=3717#comment-8515 I've heard it suggested that the south may have had far better odds if rather than forming a traditional, centralized command and control military structure and meeting the union in open battle, they had chosen the early tactics of the American Revolution. Their weakness in heavy industry would not have been such a hindrance for a guerilla army of riflemen. Such a fighting force is harder to chase down and slaughter or starve, and their morale and motivation are higher, much higher than that of Lincoln's poor conscript army. I’ve heard it suggested that the south may have had far better odds if rather than forming a traditional, centralized command and control military structure and meeting the union in open battle, they had chosen the early tactics of the American Revolution. Their weakness in heavy industry would not have been such a hindrance for a guerilla army of riflemen.

Such a fighting force is harder to chase down and slaughter or starve, and their morale and motivation are higher, much higher than that of Lincoln’s poor conscript army.

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By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/02/14/kick-lincoln-out-of-washingtons-holiday/#comment-8514 Mike Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:51:27 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=3717#comment-8514 Their firey Scots Irish heritage? Their aptitude for shooting and outdoor sports? I happen to be half southern, but I can't tell you. Their firey Scots Irish heritage? Their aptitude for shooting and outdoor sports? I happen to be half southern, but I can’t tell you.

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By: seaterk http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/02/14/kick-lincoln-out-of-washingtons-holiday/#comment-8512 seaterk Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:10:54 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=3717#comment-8512 Or better known as the war of Northern aggression. Funny how you never hear about the other side of things but it's the winners that write the history books so no surprises here for me. The south was doomed from the start but I think that Lincoln freed the slaves not so much because he was opposed to slavery but as a way to cripple the south economically and ensure that they could never rebel again. As an aside, its kind of funny that people from the south form the core of Americas armed forces, especially in the areas of combat. Don't know why that is but it does seem strange. Or better known as the war of Northern aggression. Funny how you never hear about the other side of things but it’s the winners that write the history books so no surprises here for me. The south was doomed from the start but I think that Lincoln freed the slaves not so much because he was opposed to slavery but as a way to cripple the south economically and ensure that they could never rebel again.

As an aside, its kind of funny that people from the south form the core of Americas armed forces, especially in the areas of combat. Don’t know why that is but it does seem strange.

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