Comments on: “I love gold” http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/08/15/i-love-gold/ Thoughts on the markets and the decline of the west Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:13:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: MikeC http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/08/15/i-love-gold/#comment-10413 MikeC Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:32:26 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=5028#comment-10413 As Ritholtz indicated: prices are falling in the stuff we own, and rising in the stuff we want to own. As Ritholtz indicated: prices are falling in the stuff we own, and rising in the stuff we want to own.

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By: PEJ http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/08/15/i-love-gold/#comment-10411 PEJ Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:34:12 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=5028#comment-10411 @Mike: yes quite funny. Making a good case against both the + and - of holding gold. Personally, I won't touch it here. I still have physical gold in a personal vault, but bought the coins and bullion at a way more reasonable price. @graphite: you're very much wrong: just look at what happened in 2008: gold collapsed from 1000 to the 700 if I remember correctly. @Mr. Nobody: you are very confused. Price in Tokyo are extremely high in $ terms as a result of yen deflation and the doubling of the Yen against many major currencies in the past 2 year. Have you ever been to Japan? Or are you just carrying around news from CNN? When I was in Japan in 2004 and 2005, life over there was very cheap for me compared to London. Also, real estate and equity markets are in nominal terms between 50 and 80% lower than their peak. @Mike: yes quite funny. Making a good case against both the + and - of holding gold. Personally, I won’t touch it here. I still have physical gold in a personal vault, but bought the coins and bullion at a way more reasonable price.

@graphite: you’re very much wrong: just look at what happened in 2008: gold collapsed from 1000 to the 700 if I remember correctly.

@Mr. Nobody: you are very confused. Price in Tokyo are extremely high in $ terms as a result of yen deflation and the doubling of the Yen against many major currencies in the past 2 year.

Have you ever been to Japan? Or are you just carrying around news from CNN?

When I was in Japan in 2004 and 2005, life over there was very cheap for me compared to London.

Also, real estate and equity markets are in nominal terms between 50 and 80% lower than their peak.

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By: Graphite http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/08/15/i-love-gold/#comment-10410 Graphite Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:26:07 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=5028#comment-10410 In a climate of fear, "free money" (a bit of a misnomer, there's really no such thing, at least not with any of the current Fed policies) finds a very welcome home in cash. The next time the VIX hits 50 you are not going to see liquidity gushing into stocks and commodities. In a climate of fear, “free money” (a bit of a misnomer, there’s really no such thing, at least not with any of the current Fed policies) finds a very welcome home in cash. The next time the VIX hits 50 you are not going to see liquidity gushing into stocks and commodities.

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By: Mr. Nobody http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/08/15/i-love-gold/#comment-10409 Mr. Nobody Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:02:55 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=5028#comment-10409 "deflation is Definitely not going to play well for gold" -- be careful to use such conclusive statements. PEJ - Deflation, like inflation, experiences non linearity when Government's hands and Fed's printing presses and people's arbitrary spending habits are working. People who cite 'credit contraction' and 'free falling real estate prices' provide compelling evidence of deflation, but neglect to explain, for instance, why food prices keep rising. Why is it that we don't see deflation in health care costs or Government wages or movie tickets? Point being, even if you have 100$ in credit contraction and 20$ in money creation doesn't mean that you will have $80 in deflation. B/c the uneven flow of both, you can have something deflate by $100 (like a house), while other stuff (like food) becomes more expensive -- Take that idea further, and you'll see that a fall in the prices of houses is no panacea for poor people who still have their mortgages and have to feed the family. Free money/liquidity has to find a home --- net deflation is ignoring a blatant fact, that money creation goes into things like food, gold, stocks, etc even during great deflation in credit markets. You cane 'deflation' with many commodities/services/etc appreciate in value. Last I checked, Japan had insane deflation, even with crazy stimuli, with their Nikki down 75% over the past 20 years. And yet, Tokyo is still one of the most expensive cities to live in. “deflation is Definitely not going to play well for gold” — be careful to use such conclusive statements.

PEJ - Deflation, like inflation, experiences non linearity when Government’s hands and Fed’s printing presses and people’s arbitrary spending habits are working. People who cite ‘credit contraction’ and ‘free falling real estate prices’ provide compelling evidence of deflation, but neglect to explain, for instance, why food prices keep rising. Why is it that we don’t see deflation in health care costs or Government wages or movie tickets?

Point being, even if you have 100$ in credit contraction and 20$ in money creation doesn’t mean that you will have $80 in deflation. B/c the uneven flow of both, you can have something deflate by $100 (like a house), while other stuff (like food) becomes more expensive — Take that idea further, and you’ll see that a fall in the prices of houses is no panacea for poor people who still have their mortgages and have to feed the family. Free money/liquidity has to find a home — net deflation is ignoring a blatant fact, that money creation goes into things like food, gold, stocks, etc even during great deflation in credit markets. You cane ‘deflation’ with many commodities/services/etc appreciate in value.

Last I checked, Japan had insane deflation, even with crazy stimuli, with their Nikki down 75% over the past 20 years. And yet, Tokyo is still one of the most expensive cities to live in.

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By: Mike http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/08/15/i-love-gold/#comment-10408 Mike Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:05:31 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=5028#comment-10408 I just thought it was funny. I just thought it was funny.

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By: PEJ http://sovereignspeculator.com/2010/08/15/i-love-gold/#comment-10407 PEJ Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:03:01 +0000 http://sovereignspeculator.com/?p=5028#comment-10407 Mike, dude, I don't get it. Do love gold? or not? :-) Dollar Deflation is definitely not going to play well for gold. Mike, dude, I don’t get it. Do love gold? or not? :-)
Dollar Deflation is definitely not going to play well for gold.

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