Prechter interview: Fed may be ended within his lifetime.

From Yahoo! Tech Ticker last week. Lots of market talk, then Prechter makes the case for truly free banking, in which banks could decide for themselves what to use as money. He beleives that most banks and savers would chose gold, as they have for most of human history. The first segment below is mostly on the markets — the comments on the Fed are in the second:

EDIT: Sorry, I didn’t realize that there are actually two segments to this interview. The comments on the Fed are in the second half:

At the end, Prechter makes a key point about the gold standard: it is not a free-market solution, because it is a “standard” set by the government. Essentially, a gold standard is redeemable paper money, but as we saw in the early years of the Federal Reserve (and actually in older times with many other central banks), the exchange rate between paper and specie is set by the government. Paper money remains legal tender and the primary unit of account, so citizens are forced to use it and the banking cartel can still inflate.

A much better solution is no standard at all. Under such systems, the unit of account was typically a weight of gold or silver. Hence the British pound sterling, which was exactly that (sterling is 92.5% pure silver). Under these systems, there were safe banks that earned money by simply storing metal and clearing payments. Interest was low, but inflation was lower or negative, since the growth of human productivity from improved infrastructure and technology meant that goods and services became more abundant over time, while the money supply grew only as fast as new gold was mined.

This is why the price level fell steadily during the 1870s in the US while the economy grew at its fastest pace in history, and why the price of a postage stamp in England remained the same for 100 years, even as the country grew rich. There were booms and busts and banks failed, but because even big ones were allowed to fail, bubbles remained contained and the busts freed up capital for productive uses.

Such periods will come again. This is not the end of civilization, just the end of a long credit inflation.

Prechter in the morning (King World News interview)

Eric King is one of the best financial interviewers out there, so he gets the best guests of anyone I know.

Listen to the MP3 here, recorded last Saturday, March 20.

Take-aways:

The last of the bears are capitulating, just as the last of the bulls turned bearish last winter. Everybody loves stocks after a 73% rally, and there is huge psychological pressure to be bullish.

The market only gives away free money for so long (unbroken strings of up days often come near the end, as in Spring 1930).

The last two times that the market made a double top (July/Oct 2007 and the 2000 top), the Nasdaq surged at the very peak, leaving the Dow and SPX behind. SPX has just barely made a new high, but it feels like it’s much higher than in January.

GDP expansion is very weak compared to the stock rally, bank lending and jobs are still trending negative.

This is not a recession that has ended. This is a depression that has had a big countertrend rally.

States are all bankrupt, because they always spend too much. Governments always go bankrupt in the end. (Interesting factoid: Nebraska’s constitution outlaws borrowing by the state, so they are in the best shape).

All of the dollar-denominated IOUs are going to be worthless in the end. The government’s backstop has delayed this, but the debt will still go bad. The central banks will not take on all the bad debt, so the governments are trying, but they will ultimately default themselves.

Hyperinflation is not an option with all this debt. Default (deflation) is inevitable. Government defaults are deflationary.

Cycles are part of the human social experience. Muni defaults haven’t happened since the 1930s, but that is only because that was the last time we were at this point of the debt cycle. Munis will end up as wallpaper — no way the states can pay them off.

Conquer the Crash was released in 2002, but the stock market rose for 5 more years and the credit bubble got even crazier before finally topping in 2007, but the extra debt is just making things worse now that we’re at the point of no return.

We have a return of confidence. AAII (American Association of Individual Investors) survey shows about 25% bears, same as October 2007 and May 2008 tops. This is not a good buying opportunity.

Every investing group (individuals, pensions, mutual funds, etc) has been overinvested for 12 years. Mutual funds are only holding 3.5% cash. They have never given up on stocks, even in March 2009, which was nothing like in the 1970s and early 1980s.

Very few people think we can end up like Japan, and keep breaking to new lows for 20 years. Everybody always has a “story,” a narrative as to why the market is going to keep going down (at bottoms) and up (at tops).  (Story today, IMO: PPT manipulation and money printing will drive stocks up forever). The story is often exactly wrong at the top and bottom.

Interest rates do not drive stocks. Lower rates are not bullish (just look at the 1930s or 2007-2008). Rates went up from 2003 – 2007 as the market rallied. People’s logic is always incorrect at the turns. Nor do earnings drive prices: stocks fell 75-80% in real terms from 1966-1982 as earnings rose.

Oil and stocks have a correlation that comes and goes – sometimes none, sometimes very positive, sometimes very negative. No predictive power.

Markets have a natural ebb and flow that arises from herding processes in a social setting. Reasoning about causation is a waste of time.

Economists jabber on about all kinds of causation, but they never offer statistics that pass muster.

Bond funds are going to slaughter the masses. The public always buys the wrong thing at the wrong time, and a wave of defaults is coming.

The dollar is likely starting a major rally (up 9% since fall, 11% vs euro). Prechter was early on that call but it still was a good one. Might be the start of a renewed wave of deflationary pressures.

The message in the new edition of Conquer the Crash remains, “get safe.” Find a safe bank, hold T-bills or treasury-only mutual funds, cash notes, and some gold and silver. No downside to safety.

Kevin Depew interviews Robert Prechter

This is from a month ago, but it is a wide-ranging discussion from a long-term point of view. Depew is a very sharp guy who saw deflation coming himself, so this is one of the best Prechter interviews I’ve seen.


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“Yes, a depression is a period that’s difficult for many many people, but it’s not the apocalypse, it’s not the end of the world. It’s just a tough period that’s gonna last, you know, five to seven years and then we’ll come out the other side.”

For a speculator, “there’s no better time than a bear market — they’re fast, they’re violent, they’re great.”

Congratulations to Mish Shedlock, star deflationist and gold bug

I want to offer a little praise here for Mish Shedlock, an investment advisor for Sitka Pacific and proprietor of the hugely successful blog, globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com. I owe Mish a debt of gratitude as one of the writers who helped me understand our credit money system and anticipate the events of the last couple of years. He was a deflationist back when CPI was ticking in at 12% annualized (June/July ’08), and he has made a series of very prescient market calls.

Robert Prechter of course is the original deflationist who has seen this depression coming since the late 1970s (when he was a lone “bearma bull” and anticipated a great bull market followed by a giant crash and long secular bear market — his mistake was that failed to anticipate just how manic and levered-up society would get in the 1990s and 2000s — he called for a bubble, but not the greatest bubble of all time), but Mish’s writing has been on par with Prechter’s and he has lately bested him when it comes to gold.

I believe Mish has only been following the markets intently since the early 2000s, when he lost his job as a programmer. He used his free time and the internet to educate himself on economics and markets, and thanks to an intelligence uncluttered by a formal economics education or Wall Street voodoo, came to understand that we were experiencing a credit bubble — a business overexpansion and misallocation of resources due to easy access to debt. Debt was cheap because under our fiat money central banking system, bankers had created a cartel for themselves and a safety net. They had a license to blow enormously profitable bubbles and a get out of jail free card in the Federal Reserve, which of course is their own creation. Politicians love this system because it allows them to grow the government at a pace far in excess of the economy, since the Fed can just print money to buy T-bonds.

With his excellent understanding of debt, Mish came up with what I consider to be the best definition of inflation and deflation: inflation is an expansion of money and credit, where credit is marked to market; deflation is a contraction thereof. Rather than looking only at various money measures (M1, monetary base, M2, etc), Mish’s definition is most useful in our system since credit acts like money and dwarfs actual cash.

As Professor Steve Keen has shown, credit expansion precedes monetary expansion. In a fractional reserve world were credit can be created out of thin air with practically no restraints on reserve ratios, commercial banks and other “shadow banking” institutions are in the driver’s seat, not central banking committees. Even as the Fed’s balance sheet (like those of other central banks) has grown from $850 billion in early 2008 to nearly $2.5 trillion today, this increase in cash has been dwarfed by the contraction in private credit (which started out at $50 trillion for the US and is surely much smaller today). This is why cash has been king on Main Street, the recent stock and commodity rally notwithstanding.

Back to the story of the bubble, so long as debt got cheaper and easier, people could afford to take on more, which they did because it allowed them to keep up with their neighbors and feel good about themselves. Also, when credit is expanding, levering up is a fast way to get rich — asset prices soar, since you don’t actually need cash to buy things. A bubble mentality forms: when the only reason to buy a class of asset is because you can sell it to someone else for more (there is no reasonable prospect of sustainable cash-flow), you have a bubble. The bubble bursts when marginal buyers fail to show up and relieve the last round of speculators at a profit, since everyone is already stuffed to the gills with debt and debt-financed assets. When there is nobody left to buy and prices stall, that class of asset becomes a burden (taxes, maintenance, interest), and a crash is imminent. That was 2006 (a clear warning then was the inversion in the yield curve, as demand for credit started to abate and savvy Treasury traders bid up long-dated bonds in anticipation of a drop in short-term rates).

Anyway we all know the story now, but thanks to Mish and others of the Austrian school of economics (Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Prechter, Marc Faber, Jim Rogers), a large segment of the internet-using public was forewarned. I single out Mish here for praise because he has arguably the best record of anyone for calling the shots since 2007.  Of course he was bearish on stocks going into the crash, but as a deflationist he was also bearish on commodities and foreign stocks and currencies, as was Prechter. Like Prechter, Mish called for a turn in the stock market early in 2009, though Prechter has been more prescient in anticipating its duration and magnitude. Mish was bullish on long-term Treasuries in 2008, when Prechter’s EWI was not, and I was glad to be on his side there.

Where Mish has really stood out has been in his understanding of gold. He has always said that gold is money, and he correctly anticipated its strength during deflation. I understand that this may have come from reading or reading about Professor Roy Jastram’s “The Golden Constant,” a study of 400 years of gold’s purchasing power during periods of inflation and deflation under both gold standards and fiat regimes. Jastram’s conclusion is that gold decreases in real value during inflations and increases in value during deflations — in effect, it acts like money. Now, Prechter has always said that gold is money, and he has always recommended holding gold and silver for the depression, since it is likely that the fiat system breaks down in the advanced stages, but he has failed to anticipate that the precious metals bull market would power through these first years of deflation (though he did anticipate the latest manic phase this fall after gold broke upwards in September).

Now solidly over $1200 per ounce, to my eye the gold market looks like a full-blown mania. DSI bullishness has been over 90% for a month now, and has been over 70% for much of the last six months. There have been no significant corrections. Every commercial break on cable TV seems to have an ad from one bullion dealer or another, and former Nixon plumber G. Gordon Liddy is touting it. That said, even if this parabolic rise is followed by a crash of $300 or $500, gold will likely still be leagues ahead of every other asset class since 2007 or 2000 (if gold hits $700, I bet the S&P will be 700 and oil will be $35 again). It truly is acting like money, high-powered, robust money, and it should continue to increase in relative terms even faster if credit strains worsen, as I think they will in 2010 and 2011. And as the US and other governments proceed in the following years to destroy their currencies through continued war and Keynesianism/Socialism, it will truly be a life-saver.

In addition to his excellent market analysis, Mish deserves our thanks for his consistent efforts to fight the bailouts and other thievery and stupidity in Congress. He has also no-doubt played a strong role in advancing Ron Paul’s bill to mandate an audit of the Federal Reserve and to defend it from those who would water it down.

Mish’s success goes to show the power of a geek with broadband connection. Since the formal education system and old news media have become propaganda outfits for the political and corporate parasite classes, if there is any hope for capitalism and a free and prosperous future, it lies with independent nerds.

Robert Prechter interview

From this morning on Bloomberg. Prechter now has a perfect record since calling for a major crash at the 2007 top and then calling the interim bottom earlier this year. He was made for this environment. His 2002 book, Conquer the Crash, is a practically a blueprint for what is happening.

Takeaways:

Betty Liu actually extended some respect to a bear. Maybe she’s been hanging out with Matt Miller.

Prechter expects a corrective sell-off within this corrective rally, prior to new highs, followed by 2008 redux starting later this year or in 2010.

Final bottom: 2011

Deflation to “definitely” continue beyond another year and a half or so.

The crash is a good thing if you hold cash and buy at the bottom.

Credit was shoved down American’s throats for decades by government-created programs: FHA, Fannie, Freddie, etc.

PS – Bloomberg now has a youtube channel, and is pretty speedy about posting interviews. Now I have no need for a TV at all, which is good, since I’ll be without one all summer.

Here is an interview from February 25th, where Prechter called for covering shorts in anticipation of the biggest rally since the start of the bear market. He has time to go a bit more in-depth here:

And here he is at the very top of the market in 2007, 20 years to the day after the ’87 crash:

Listen to the people who predicted this: No bailouts, no New Deal, no serfdom.

Here is a list of popular personages who predicted this credit implosion and depression while the bubble was still being blown:

  • Robert Prechter. In 2002, he published Conquer the Crash, How to survive and prosper in a deflationary depression. So far right on the money except gold hasn’t fallen hard (yet).
  • Jim Rogers. The man has good timing when it counts. He bought a NYC townhouse for 107k in 1977 and sold it for 16 million last year and got the heck out of Dodge. He moved his family, business and money to Singapore and shorted the US market. Missed the turn in commodities, though, and refused to sell China out of some kind of principle.
  • Peter Schiff. Published Crash Proof in 2006, which has been pretty accurate other than Schiff’s missing the deflation stage and holding commodities and foreign stocks too long. The results of the New Deal and bailouts are likely end with the currency failure he predicts.
  • Mish Shedlock. Publisher of a popular blog, Mish has been warning of a deflationary depression since 2005 or 2006, and now has the best record of predicting its course (deflation, bailouts, gold and the dollar doing well).
  • David Tice. Manager of the Prudent Bear Fund, BEARX, which is performing spectacularly.
  • Doug Casey, the original international speculator, and publisher of the Casey Research newsletters. Missed the deflation part, also burned by commodities, but spot on about fascism.

There are countless others who saw this coming, including Congressman Ron Paul, who’s own studies of monetary policy inspired him to first run for office.

What do all of these men have in common that allowed them to see around the corner? They understand money and the credit cycle. How did they learn it? Not in college, that’s for sure, because colleges teach perverse Keynesian claptrap. They have all read the Austrian economists, in particular Ludwig von Mises and his American pupil Murray Rothbard. Their explanation of the business cycle as the credit cycle is both elegant and extremely powerful.

And what do all of these followers of the Austrian School think we (meaning our governments) should do, now that their worst fears are coming true? In a word, to a man, nothing.

Don’t fear the crash. Fear fascism.

You see, the very worst fear of Austrians is not a crash or a depression, which is actually the healthy restoration of sanity after a credit-fueled mania, but the expansion of government that seems to follow these events like day follows night. Frederic Hayek laid out these fears in The Road to Serfdom, and that is exactly where we are going: utter economic collapse. The government is going to hamstring the markets and drain our resources for its pet projects and wars, all for our own good. Their aim is to stave off a proper accounting of the losses that have already taken place, and to preserve the power of those who inflated our way into this mess.

The damage from the bubble is already done. Government adds new damage.

What not one person in 10,000 understands is that the losses have already taken place. The losses were the waste of resources and labor for doomed endeavors that never made sense: think McMansions in the desert, and the roads, power plants and strip malls that served them. The price declines that we are now experiencing are necessary to restore valuations that reflect true values, because proper pricing clears markets — it allows people to accurately assess the worth of certain items against that of others.

A 5000 sqaure foot house on a dry hillside 20 miles outside of Phoenix is a money pit, not a million dollars. It was never properly valued in terms of the labor and raw materials that went into it. But because bankers, backed up by the Fed and various government programs and guarantees, would lend $1 million to buy it, those resources were drawn out into the desert instead of to sustainable productive uses.

An honest, gold-backed monetary system and a free-market banking system with no government support would never have allowed bankers to misprice assets so greatly. Any that did would face severe difficulties inducing the public to trust them with deposits. But with FDIC, who cares what your bank does with your money? And bankers say, “with the Fed to bail me out, who cares if all my loans blow up?”

What will happen if government doesn’t lift a finger?

The owners of McMansions will lose them to the banks or other mortgage holders, and those mortgage holders, if they bought the paper with loans of their own, will lose them to others, and so on. Almost every bank in the world will fail. They have all come to depend on deposit insurance and central banks to cover for the fact that they have been reckless and insolvent from nearly day one. There will be no bank lending at all.

What will happen to the depositors? Well, almost all of their money will be lost.

So, that is what we are looking at: every bank failing, zero bank lending, almost all the money in the world going to heaven. How is that not the end of the world? Simple: It is a reverse split. In 2006, let’s say, there was a million dollars in total bank deposits. Then in 2008 all the banks go under. All that is left is the cold cash in people’s pockets, let’s say $100,000 in all.

That remaining cash becomes extremely valuable. It has to work where one million did before. If you had $10 in your pocket and $90 in the bank, you now treat each dollar as if it were ten. The key is that so does everyone else. The world still has its unit of account and medium of exchange, we have just moved the decimal point over on all prices. (Note: gold and silver would rapidly re-enter circulation and quickly become the preferred money, as they always do until government outlaws them).

Of course, deflation on this scale makes debts unpayable, so essentially all debt is defaulted upon, but of course most creditors are bankrupt too. Contracts have to be renegotiated or annulled. No big deal, really. The assets are all still there, just the same as before. Nothing has burned down. A car bought on credit still gets the same mileage as before its loan went bad, a house keeps you just as dry.

Trust the prudent and smart, not bankers and politicians.

Such an event brings about a massive transfer of wealth from the reckless to the prudent and farsighted, who are exactly the people you want making the decisions about what to do with money and assets after the crash. They are statistically and philosophically the best equipped to decide what will generate the highest returns with the lowest risk. Life goes on. There is nothing to rebuild because nothing was destroyed. It is all just reordered in a more sensible fashion. The house in the desert is scrapped for materials. The Lehman mortgage traders find something productive to do, like drive cabs.

But that outcome is so quaint, so 1800s, so gold standard. We’re more scientific today. Bernanke is a wise economist. Congress is benevolent. War is peace, and lies are truth.

Trading note: I’m not buying the anti-dollar rally.

Crash Proof vs. Conquer the Crash

I was thrilled to see Peter Schiff on Bloomberg TV this afternoon, since I knew he’d be all fired up and really let loose on the bailout. I was not disappointed, as he advised Americans to get all of their assets out of the country, and, maybe in a slip, ended by saying “get out of America.” He and I couldn’t agree more on politics (Ron Paul) and about the future of the land that used to be America — currency failure, war, Fascism, and all-around ugliness — and I used to basically believe his investment thesis (get out of the dollar ASAP!) until Mish and Prechter’s more nuanced analyses won me over to the deflation first then inflation camp about 12 months ago.

The crux of the matter is the difference in scale and pace between the Market’s deflation and the government’s inflation, and fact that the bankers’ credit inflation machine is broken.

Dollar carry trade still unwinding.

I turned bullish on the dollar vs the euro and pound a few months ago, and have been short-term bearish on oil, gold and other commodities since this spring. Shorting oil and gold last June was as contrarian as you can get — that is, contrary to the contrarians, since their views on a dollar flameout had become mainstream (see Mainstream Contrarianism Crushed).

Since then, commodities have tanked across the board as America’s script made a huge breakout rally against everything on the other side of the dollar carry trade. After a move like that, you have to expect some retracement, and that is what we have been getting for the last few trading days, as oil, gold and the Euro have each made up roughly half of their losses against the dollar.

Play it again, Bob.

I am still going against the grain here and using this as another chance to make the very same play. Anti-dollar sentiment feels almost as strong as this spring, as you would expect on the news that hundreds of billions to trillions more of our government’s notes to pay nothing will be issued to finance this bankers’ coup. The reason for my position is partly trading psychology (the WSJ reports that “Large speculators were net short more than 40,000 contracts in the euro and 49,000 contracts in the British pound, the most negative they’ve been on those currencies in the last 52 weeks”) and partly the fact that the carry trade has a lot further to unwind, since dollars were being handed out in buckets for so long against so many asset classes. He who sells what isn’t his’n must buy it back or go to prison, and there are still buckets and buckets of dollar debt out there that must be repaid or go to money heaven. Either way, it increases the value of the surviving dollars as people desperately need them to pay off debt and keep the lights on.

The US government will have the strength to enforce its legal tender laws for some time to come, if it can do nothing else, so the dollar will still be good for all debts public and private. And now that people are going broke left and right (broke means no money), those who still have some dollars safe in Treasuries or mattresses will find that they can get more and more for them, commodities included, at least through this initial phase of the depression.

Gold: don’t leave home without it.

The speed and magnitude of the bailout at this early stage of the depression is surprising, even though nothing about the substance of Paulson’s (and by Paulson, I mean the cabal that he represents) actions surprises me in the least. It will be interesting to see if these programs can speed us through deflation in a year or two, rather than the two to five years I had been assuming (Japan’s deflation lasted nearly a decade, but they were not as hell-bent on destroying their currency as Paulson and Bernanke are ours). At any rate, when the next inflation comes, it is the big one, so I would not want to risk being completely without hard assets at any time from now on.

Disclaimer — I have no idea how, if at all, Prechter and Mish are playing the dollar and commodities or anything right now, so just because I cite their ideas here don’t assume mine are in sync with theirs. And, as always, don’t trade like me! Don’t trade at all! It’s too dangerous out there. I’m not an investment advisor, and I may have long or short positions in any of the securities, commodities or currencies mentioned on this site. See disclaimer page.