Let’s start with the Wall Street line, courtesy of Bloomberg this week:
Demand will be strong next year as consumption gains in China, the world’s biggest metal user, said Andrew Karsh, a co- manager of funds for the Credit Suisse Total Commodity Return Strategy team, which oversees about $4.4 billion.
“Industrial metals are a favorite of ours,” Karsh said yesterday in a telephone interview from New York. “There is real demand growing from emerging markets. Copper, lead, aluminum and other metals are required to increase infrastructure in places like China and India.”
This trader isn’t buying it, and as we’ll see below, China’s got more of the red metal than it knows what to do with.
Source: stockcharts.com
From kitcometals.com, here is a 5-year chart of copper warehouse stocks:
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Sure looks like someone took delivery of over a quarter million tonnes of London copper this spring and summer. Unfortunately for the bulls, it just went from warehouses on the Thames to warehouses on the Yangtse, and now it’s looking for a new home!
Chinadaily.com reports:
Copper stockpiles held in duty-free warehouses in China, the top user, may be re-exported after surging to as much as 350,000 tons from almost none at the start of the year, according to Xi’an Maike Metal International Group.
“We can hardly find buyers for refined copper,” said Luo Shengzhang, general manager of the copper department at Xi’an Maike. The company ranks among the country’s three biggest importers, according to the executive. “China’s got to export some copper from now and next year,” Luo said in an interview.
Copper, used to make pipes and wires, has more than doubled this year as China’s 4-trillion-yuan ($586 billion) stimulus spending, increased State stockpiling and lack of scrap material boosted China’s imports to a record. That’s helped to drive Chinese prices below London’s since at least July.
Xi’an Maike has had to re-route some bonded copper to London Metal Exchange warehouses in South Korea because the company was unable to find buyers in China, with local supply outpacing demand, said Luo. The effect of the stimulus package was wearing off and local scrap supply was improving, he said.
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And this from Mineweb.com:
Some of the more telling lines from a translated script of the CCTV (China’s national news channel) program (which I assume to be accurate) include:
- Wang Chao lived in Anxin county of Hebei province (rural area). He is in charge of a metal scrap collecting company. He used to purely take commissions for collecting scrap. Since 1H 2009, he started stocking scraps. He told CCTV his business now is like ‘gambling.’ Not only him, Mr. Wang said many people in his town have stocked a lot of metal at their home.
- They told CCTV they believe the metal prices will ‘certainly rise’, and they have ‘a lot of’ stocks. For example, he said, in Laohetou county, every household has dozens to hundred tonnes of copper. Nobody wants to sell. They believe copper price will goes back to Rmb70,000/tonne from currently Rmb40,000/tonne.
- Traders in Wenzhou city of Zhejiang province: A business man told CCTV, they use a lot of bank loans and bought a lot of metals for stocking. For one warehouse, he stocked at least 15 Kt to 20 Kt of copper. For his total personal metal inventories, he invested Rmb1-2 bn. He believe all metal prices will surge with inflation.
- A non-ferrous metal warehouse manager, Mr Qin Baoqing in Wusong District of Shanghai. He said many metals cannot be put in their warehouse, so they have to leave them in the backyard. Many stocks have not been moved for 3 months now. For example, he said, they have many aluminium stocks from Lanzhou Aluminium, Guizhou Aluminium, etc.
- He Jinbi from Maike (metal trading company). He told CCTV they saw many farmers in Guangdong province stocking more than 100 tonnes of aluminium at home. These people used to raise geese for living.
- Because the interest rate is too low in China. Many farmers could make hundreds of RMB profits per tonne, with dozens of Rmb per tonne cost of interests. They use their existing inventories to borrow more from banks. Banks are very ‘happy’ to lend to them.
